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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hey Richard how's it going Stefan look

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I'm still jet-lagged I don't know what

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country I mean I don't know what time

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zone or even planet but here I am back

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in Sydney after a fabulous trip to Perth

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to Perth yes the old a whole three hours

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of time zone difference you must be just

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totally off the wall it's felt like

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three I think it was too but when you go

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there and back it all makes no sense o.o

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daylight saving us three isn't it yeah

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32 it's pretty it's pretty crazy anyway

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welcome to skeptics own number 43 for

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the 14th of august 43 which happens to

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be my age is that a coincidence I wonder

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Richard you shouldn't give away your age

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you don't sound a day over 42 that's

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what they say but no well the cats out

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of the bag now certainly is so we were

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in for another big show I guess is it's

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evolving like crazy we do I mean today

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look out we've got a special interview

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from Tam once again tam 70 where Iran

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talks to magician magician he's probably

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is a magician but he's a musician and a

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hell of a nice guy George rub oh yeah

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he's a very funky jazzy cool do the

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years and he's got his own podcast of

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course will he be hearing more about

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that and if anybody wants to click on

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his best off it's called regrettably the

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best of george her album writer skeptic

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zone TV and there's a link on the show

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notes for information about his best of

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cds and dvds he's a pretty cool dude

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he's actually got he's got a quite a

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sort of offbeat sense of humor and stuff

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too isn't he he does he does and he was

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the host of course for the TAM talent

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show where I was judged so that was a

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lot of fun hey I look forward to them to

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the interview oh yeah and then we've got

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the mystery of boot foot boot food foot

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goodness me that's it I don't even want

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to ask what that is stay tuned for

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babies it's a mystery which we I think

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we've got to the bottom of it now it's

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pretty scary uh oh you've got right to

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the soul we get right of the soul of

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adequate on track and hearing more about

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the anti-vaxxers now there's been a huge

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kerfuffle because of the Australian

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skeptics without patron dick smith put

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an ad in The Australian newspaper

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warning people about the antics of the

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Australian vaccination network let the

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vents fightin words in fight words and

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there's been a lot of chatter and media

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interest and we've got a recording of

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reported jo Jo Ann benim ooh he rang up

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a talkback radio show so I later on

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fantastic the wind it up we've got the

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think tank which we recorded from Perth

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ah yes it is it and it will that take to

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it would you have to wait two hours to

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hear that we do actually is it actually

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for back in time to the show I'm working

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on it look work by the time we get to

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that part of the show just my little

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hopes synced up and edited all right

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wonderful oh it sounds like a big show

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it is happy Joe I think we should get

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into it let's do it already all right

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as sure as the starbelly Sneetches

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butter the underside of their toast all

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things being equal the simplest answer

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worthless don't rely on fish new Buddha

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Ron Popeil or the Holy Ghost just

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consider these words and that should

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life your sale naam might not smash into

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Lord rob is a musician skeptic in the

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host of the weekly geologic podcast I

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met George in Las Vegas where he was an

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active participant in the town

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proceedings I asked him to tell me why

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are the gambling prime up again yeah

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it's like yeah apparently there's some

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conference here as well there are

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thinking or something else no it's the

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lovely Phil Plait asked if I'd be

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interested in performing I said of

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course my goodness so I did a

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performance of I got to do both a little

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show of the piece I have which is called

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the occasional songs the periodic table

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which is one song per element and I also

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get to be the emcee for the first-ever

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tam talent show which is tonight which

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is very exciting so I get to be the

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emcee for that so that is the that is

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the the reason I get to come but the

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actual reason or the thing that really

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warms my cockles is the chance to hang

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out with everybody in to be in this

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community which is just the most

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incredibly inspiring bunch of people to

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be around is it not also the case that

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you came here to do the music for a

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wedding that was yes another very

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important surprise reason was yet to be

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the band at an impromptu wedding which

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which happened this morning it's I can

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easily say that is the earliest i never

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played for a wedding it was I think 8 8

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28 in the morning and it was think it's

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the earliest the bride has been awake as

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well so yeah like I said earlier

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which I wasn't aware of but for you for

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a musician to be up at that time

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performing was was quite nice especially

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in this dry climate but it was that that

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was a real honor to be part of the of

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the surprise SGU wedding yes it was very

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nice how important to you is being a

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skeptic it's everything I mean it is the

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it is the foundation of just about every

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decision one makes it personally anyway

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being a skeptic is an approach to to

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life so its its its importance is you

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can't even describe it it's sort of like

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how how important is being a human you

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know you sort of can't you I don't know

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what it's like to not be in that mindset

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work to even place it in a scale of

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importance almost

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d values it so basically say this is me

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it's just a short word of saying

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yourself how I am right right it's like

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how important is humor you know you know

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i completely understand i also say you

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know a skeptic maybe family man maybe

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first okay um well they're not sure

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because they're overlapping different

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can't think of it I mean there are so

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many things that the skeptical approach

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influences or the Ord that lets you

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determine what you what you do what you

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where you go you know whether it's one

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hundred percent you know you're driving

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full out with your skepticism or if it's

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one percent it's still there to some

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degree hopefully at least that's what

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that's what I'm always shooting for it

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to be able to constantly be questioning

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things and presuppositions and

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assumptions and the end to be in a room

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of thousand people that are on that same

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page is so so just tremendously

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wonderful it's fantastic I'm also

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feeling that three-day high drugless

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general this obviously a new media and

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your involvement and also the way you

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see the responses to your podcast and

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and obviously your presence on Facebook

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how do you see that affecting the

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skeptical moment what's what's you even

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that it's interesting because I think

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I'm a perfect example of how an

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individual with essentially no no no

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formal education no formal background I

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mean I don't have a PhD in I don't have

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anything science or any kind of a you

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know there there's no there are no

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letters after my name and yet because i

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have this show and have built a little

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different audience I can be involved in

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at an event because there's a certain

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niche that I can fulfill you know it's a

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very specified okay entertaining silly

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musician who goes to you know the

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amazing meeting conference and does a

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it's a very very tiny niche but boy do I

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own that niche you know the fact that i

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nobody and yet influence a few thousand

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people or whatever it is a couple

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hundred people on a weekly basis is is

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the perfect example of what new media

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can do the fact that i can go on to

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facebook and in the status say you know

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and then I'll get 15 20 30 response the

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responses of oh I'm jealous I wish I was

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going you know that to me I don't want

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someone to be jealous and I feel bad

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that everyone can't be here but the

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amount of responses of like oh I wish I

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could go it's so nice to see it's

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disappointing on one hand on the other

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hand people would come here if they

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could you know in terms of it's not a

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question of wanting to go it's a

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question of timing funds all that

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secondary stuff which means that the

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psychology behind it is is we're going

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there on our team I just can't make it

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here because I can't swing the you know

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the plane fare or whatever and it

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spreads it is it is this virus like

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viral term is a perfect term for it

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because it is a slow creeping thing I

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little bit of entertainment through

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songs through you know humor or whatever

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just think a little bit and then

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is doing a song and he's going to Vegas

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why is it going to Vegas oh it's this

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amazing meeting what's that Oh James

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without happy days usually Oh

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that is what I think everyone who's

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working in new media can provide is you

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can find not only the choir that's

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already converted that we're talking to

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the fish that swims up your penis or

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whatever it is like okay here hell yeah

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you like that I'll check this out too

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and then he's going and who's that was

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the heat talking to Phil Plait the bad

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astronomy oh I like science movies and

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from this heck you know inter ologist

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because it's not always about science

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be in yes obviously you know people here

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write you but listening to your show you

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like Phil Plait calls you and you

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announce it of course I know I'm is

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ridiculous it's absolutely ridiculous I

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mean and it's not even addressed this on

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the show because I caught myself

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thinking okay is this coming across as

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me bragging or is this coming across as

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I am like a giddy little fanboy and I

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wanted to be a giddy fanboy I wanted to

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be actually mentioned it only a couple

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of weeks ago you talked about that yeah

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and because it was a concern I just

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wanted to say I'm telling you folks this

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because I'm so excited that somehow I

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have fallen into a position where Phil

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Plait leaves me a message on my machine

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and yes I considered him a friend and

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and and you know I'm close to him as

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close as one can be you know in the

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environment that we're in and yet I

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still the president of the je reve is

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leaving me a message you know that I

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don't think that will ever get old or

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that you know I can I can walk by and

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and james randi well say hi with with

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the ending point seven percent more

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familiarity than he would with someone

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else because he you know oh that yeah

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you're the guy that sang last year you

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know that that kind of a thing that to

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me I am still a fanboy and I I just uh

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I'm waiting for someone to tapped me on

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the shoulder at some point and be like

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okay you gotta go like you you were not

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buying it anymore okay you fooled us for

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two years and it's time to go and I'd be

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like okay okay that was cool I

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appreciate the right places that's two

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years fine Thank You Victor thank you

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now speaking of two years and and 121

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shells right we just posted 1 20 21 22

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oh yeah being here yes I love it yet

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sure um but what keeps you going what

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what does it for you that you're a busy

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man you yeah you try to make a living

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somehow musician which can't be

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extremely easy right and

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and obviously you're recording her new

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album yes now just number six yeah yeah

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so what is it that keeps you going it

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makes you what else you do it every week

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I just mentioned this before another

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show also the podcast since I started

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doing it has been the most part from

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washing has been the most consistently

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done sort of weekly activity that I've

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done ever you know I've been on exercise

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regimens I've been on practicing

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regimens or trying to learn things or

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you know I've trained for marathons and

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triathlons and things like that but I

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have never done something you know once

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a week for two and a half years that was

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a concerted effort you know apart from

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eating soup I mean it's so that in and

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of itself now is a driving factor of

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like okay I don't want to at myself down

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I want to keep doing that number one

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number two I do have an audience which

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has been built up which I am so grateful

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and and and thankful that people want to

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listen to the crap that I'm making that

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I want to let anybody down so that is a

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nice sort of driving force for me to

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continue making stuff hopefully of some

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quality or some of some level quality

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that matches up in the previous stuff

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third is even when it is a drag it's

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it's doesn't approach the inverse

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proportion of how great it is when it's

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working well when I do a show that that

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kind of comes off very easily and as a

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lot of fun and has some good bits in it

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has good information has a good story

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and then I get the instant feedback it

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is it is priceless to me it used to take

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a year or so between albums you know

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you'd write songs you record a record

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you press it he put it out people would

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hear it they write you an email or

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something if they would like it they'd

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see you in person and say hey I like

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this song it was really cool but the the

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span and time between the creation of

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the of the peace and the feedback was

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months years which in turn of itself is

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a cool thing to but hear that on

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Wednesday night I'm creating this stuff

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Thursday it's posted and thursday

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afternoon i have some comments

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you know as a needy little boy you know

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it's it's that's my facebook is such

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such crack because I can put a silly

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little comment and 12 15 people will

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respond right away you know and and

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that's dangerous you know because

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because it is that oh love me love me

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love me kind of thing you know but it's

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so rewarding at the same time so that

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that I can get an idea that ok I think

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this is cool whatever whatever the thing

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is the sketch the song the story the

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observation the review you know ok i

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wouldn't sell the star trek movie I

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thought it was great this is what I like

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the better boom boom boom boom boom six

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hours later I'll have 50 people email me

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and say hey yeah this was cool and I

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agree with you here this is right not so

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much here but did you think of this or

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that you know it's this extended instant

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community that I have and that I mean

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that keeps me going you know I just

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recently I did a show that was a very

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different kind of show where it was a

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combination of traditional or folk

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Ukrainian songs and me sort of ranting

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about things in this Eastern European

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accent very strange way deep in the

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hippocampus kind of a strange episode

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someone wrote to me and reading this

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email I actually teared up because he

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said here was someone who was listening

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to my show he said I'm an artist I've

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been blocked for a while I can't I can't

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get work to come out I just I haven't

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been able to relax and be able to paint

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I put your show on and it struck me that

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here with someone that just liked these

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songs they were just the you know you

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recorded these songs just because

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they're interesting they mean something

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to you you're not getting paid directly

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for this it's not for a record it's just

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for the love of the music and it it made

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me relax and start painting again

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I mean that one other profession can you

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get that kind of feedback where someone

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else will will dive back into their art

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because you know maybe I had a two

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percent influence on what they were

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doing especially as an artist yourself

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oh my gosh you know I mean that that is

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it's priceless and that is possible only

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because of the medium of podcasting

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you've discussed in one of the past

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shows the notion of success and and what

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it means to be successful and I think

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you're quoting I can't remember at me no

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Bluford yep number for the drummer from

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yeah yes yeah and then I was just

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wondering what your thoughts now I mean

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in your position in this skeptical

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movement which is obviously important to

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you and the way the podcast is going

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then the network that you were that's

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forming and and your ability to get

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those the this feedback feedback that

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you're discussing if you consider

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yourself successful I think that what

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Bill Bruford said was that he realized

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early in his career that there's a

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difference between success and fame and

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that fame is not something one should

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seek out and that success is independent

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of Fame success resides within the

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quality of the work you produce so you

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can have a successful piece it might not

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sell at all and conversely something

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that sells a million copies might not be

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a successful piece and he realized that

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in many ways he is successful he is

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appreciated within his community of

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drummers musicians and that is his

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success for me my inherent success

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stands within each performance hopefully

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each song each album each podcast each

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what's nice about that is that you're

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never done because there's always

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something new to be written there's

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always some new avenue to try to be

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successful within I had the performance

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last night last night's performance was

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a success not a not a tremendous one

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personally people enjoyed it I knew

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there were things I could have done

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better things are going to plan for a

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little bit better which will make the

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next one that much more successful how

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much I'm recognized by attendees here

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how many albums i sell while I'm here is

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independent of that sort of success

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quotient so I'm striving to be as

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successful as I can I think that answers

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I don't know if that's if that's kind of

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a little eyes you're going but yeah yeah

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it resides within the independent

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existence of each work or each you know

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goal am I a successful a guest am i a

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successful speaker am I successful you

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know breakdancer whatever whatever that

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whatever the photos I'm trying to do

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okay so speaking about the kind of

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things that you do if you write lyrics

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you write music you sing yourself you

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play the guitar but you still consider

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the way you describe yourself I've heard

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you several times described yourself as

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a drummer yeah so I'm just wondering why

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that like why are you still a drama when

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you do all those other things well

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professionally you know the thing that

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pays the bills is me is me beating the

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skins so so if someone that a party asks

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me what I do my response usually is a

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musician and the inevitable question

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that comes after that is Oh what

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instrument and with a little bit of

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trepidation I say drugs because there's

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there is a stereotype of you know animal

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from the muppets that Oh either that or

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all my nephew plays drums which you know

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that's kind of the response you get I

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don't know is it is it a weird packaged

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humility or something I you know I my

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guitar playing skills to any real

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guitarists are okay I play guitar really

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well for my songs I'm like I'm the best

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guitarist for my songs you know again

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any any true guitars true bass player

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true singer could do what I do you know

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hesitation in a heartbeat that doesn't

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so much apply to drums I think there is

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a certain level of expertise I have

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drumming just because it is my

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profession so maybe I'm it's sort of

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like that thing you know you know

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someone that is really good at some kind

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of a skill and I kind of just casually

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do it and you think like oh god I wish I

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could you know do crossword puzzles as

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good as Fred doesn't fret doesn't care

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that he does crossword puzzles so well

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you know to me the drumming is sort of

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an established thing like like your

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first question you know how important to

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skip decisions like it's not it's not

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important it is and I will always be a

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drummer I mean that is sort of that that

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foundation that was the first instrument

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that I sort of studied and did

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officially so that I guess it's sort of

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in my DNA okay well dramas don't usually

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have a reputation for being the sharpest

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yes and there's you know they picketed a

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guy yeah cuz obviously the chance about

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a guy who hangs out with musician yes

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and wears black yeah oh I have a whole

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collection yeah I'm sorry my favorite

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one is how do you know when a drummer's

538
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,120
riser is level the drool comes out of

539
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:46,799
both corners of his mouth that's my

540
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,490
favorite drummers okay mmm but obviously

541
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:52,799
I eat sounds to me like you you like you

542
00:21:56,539 --> 00:21:54,690
actually like that reputation a little

543
00:22:00,259 --> 00:21:56,549
bit because it allows you dude yeah yeah

544
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:00,269
I mean obviously I am a man of duality

545
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:02,190
and dichotomies I love dichotomies I

546
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:05,370
love you know someone in a suit cursing

547
00:22:11,269 --> 00:22:07,830
yeah I kind of like that unless someone

548
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:11,279
or an 81 year old or an 81 year old oh I

549
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:13,710
guess the feistiest I've seen Randy I

550
00:22:18,649 --> 00:22:17,100
think I think maybe ever and yeah just

551
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:18,659
so people know he went on off a little

552
00:22:23,899 --> 00:22:21,570
bit of a tear and and cursed and it was

553
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,909
great who's just and I turned to my

554
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:25,500
friend who had just gotten to just come

555
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:29,370
to the conference and I said he's 81 81

556
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:32,700
and he's a nice any soul and that's why

557
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:36,419
he is who he is you know anyway so yeah

558
00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:40,740
I do like that kind of dichotomy of

559
00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:45,470
being able to yet not know

560
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:48,270
not know what's coming not know what to

561
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,000
expect or expecting the opposite works

562
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:53,280
going the opposite or not or then you

563
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,110
get to that point again I sort of do my

564
00:23:00,410 --> 00:22:57,780
show a little bit we're in that

565
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,420
Ukrainian folk song show I didn't do an

566
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,720
intro or an outro because I knew

567
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:04,980
listening to it people would be on the

568
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:07,980
edge waiting which meant they were

569
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:10,710
paying attention which is an interesting

570
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:14,280
sort of power to have remotely you know

571
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:16,650
again my python is one of my favorite

572
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:20,670
sort of anything comedy troupe whatever

573
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:23,010
philosophy everyone approach it and and

574
00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:25,860
John Cleese said that these were the

575
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,760
appealed to him of Monty Python were

576
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:31,200
exceptionally smart people doing

577
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:34,440
exceedingly silly things and I really

578
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:37,860
like that I really is e for a stupid

579
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:40,679
person to be silly or for a smart person

580
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:43,290
to be intellectual I think it's very

581
00:23:48,919 --> 00:23:46,650
difficult for the the poles to cross to

582
00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:48,929
have an intellectual be silly or to have

583
00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:52,350
you know a dumb person be intellectual I

584
00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:55,830
love that I love you know I'm a drummer

585
00:24:02,660 --> 00:24:00,870
who who doesn't drink you know hasn't

586
00:24:06,410 --> 00:24:02,670
touched a drug ever is the first one at

587
00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:06,420
the gig knows what key songs are in you

588
00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:08,160
know which just scares you know when a

589
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:09,660
base sub player comes in he looks the

590
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:11,700
piano players is what keys us in and he

591
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:13,530
looks at me and I say f it's just like

592
00:24:16,820 --> 00:24:15,210
why this is why does the drummer know

593
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:16,830
that you know which puts that guy on

594
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:18,450
edge which makes him pay attention which

595
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:20,370
is an easy way to just okay we're on the

596
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:22,890
same let's pay attention you know again

597
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:25,860
is that some masked superiority I'm

598
00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:28,890
trying to hide I don't think so maybe

599
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,420
I'm not sure you'll have to ask my

600
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:33,600
shrink and we'll see but again it's just

601
00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:35,130
I like the dichotomies I like the

602
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,950
dichotomy very good now we talked about

603
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:39,240
the fact that you're working on any of

604
00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:41,610
them the moment is use Excel burn i'm

605
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:42,630
just wondering whether you could tell us

606
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:44,630
a little bit about it and in particular

607
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,340
it does it take a more skeptical line

608
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,440
then past albums is the most i mean

609
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:51,360
obviously you have skeptical songs in

610
00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:54,870
right in other albums no but my personal

611
00:24:59,780 --> 00:24:57,150
favorite is think for yourself because

612
00:25:02,480 --> 00:24:59,790
it just it says it all anthemic yes yes

613
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:02,490
there are there's a number of number of

614
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:05,850
songs that are skeptically based one is

615
00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:08,010
a song that's called everything alive

616
00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:11,040
must die someday which was a sort of a

617
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:13,100
realization is the fairness of

618
00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:16,340
unfairness this idea that you know what

619
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,590
everything will die everything will die

620
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:22,080
and whereas to some people that's a

621
00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:23,940
frightening idea to me it provides a

622
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:26,550
certain amount of solace because whether

623
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:29,040
you're a good person bad person cheat on

624
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:32,820
your taxes you know in enjoy Britney

625
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:35,010
Spears hate Britney Spears we will all

626
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,010
be gone all level of energy all level of

627
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:41,520
the universal anything will be gone Phil

628
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,870
plates book where he talks by the Deputy

629
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:45,600
universe you know slowly everything will

630
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:49,170
just wind down and fries and stop I love

631
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,970
that I do that that was such poetic

632
00:25:55,690 --> 00:25:52,980
beauty so I kind of wrote a song about

633
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:55,700
that and how that makes everything fair

634
00:26:01,760 --> 00:25:59,460
there's a song about losing my pet boxer

635
00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:01,770
mind my dog which is called small

636
00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:03,870
comfort which is kind of a wonderful

637
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:05,790
that the mass tell you it's a wonderful

638
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:08,130
song all he provides I I played it to a

639
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,900
few people we don't wait after you be

640
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:11,520
played in the podcast essentially more

641
00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:13,290
than once yeah and yeah I play to a few

642
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:15,870
people that experience loss recently and

643
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:19,590
they found it extremely important to

644
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,390
them to to see it from that perspective

645
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:24,120
of not looking at yourself as the person

646
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:25,230
who's grieving but from the perspective

647
00:26:32,409 --> 00:26:28,050
of the the one who's gone right so yeah

648
00:26:35,979 --> 00:26:34,239
for me personally plus people that have

649
00:26:38,619 --> 00:26:35,989
heard it yeah and that's been a very

650
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:38,629
resonant song that has every now and

651
00:26:42,129 --> 00:26:40,070
then you really try to hit the target

652
00:26:44,499 --> 00:26:42,139
square on and on that on that Thun I

653
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:44,509
think I think I did so that's on there

654
00:26:48,999 --> 00:26:47,929
plus I this album is different in that

655
00:26:52,029 --> 00:26:49,009
it's been the longest amount of time

656
00:26:54,460 --> 00:26:52,039
between records so I have a large number

657
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:54,470
of songs and in that time some

658
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:56,570
relationship things had transpired that

659
00:27:02,919 --> 00:27:00,559
sort of threw me in and out of a very

660
00:27:05,739 --> 00:27:02,929
good place and in a very dark place and

661
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:05,749
some of the songs reflect that which are

662
00:27:09,849 --> 00:27:07,369
new to me I don't have many relationship

663
00:27:14,229 --> 00:27:09,859
songs so those are in there the songs

664
00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:14,239
are a little bit more focused so they're

665
00:27:18,639 --> 00:27:17,029
not the six-minute seven-minute kind of

666
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:18,649
the three-and-a half-minute kind which

667
00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:21,710
is also new for me justjust a different

668
00:27:25,529 --> 00:27:23,239
thing trying to try not different things

669
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:25,539
trying to get my point across quicker

670
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,769
these songs I think enough I'd say this

671
00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:30,440
to you today but they're more punch to

672
00:27:34,479 --> 00:27:32,600
the face as opposed to a drawn-out you

673
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:34,489
know brawl which a drawn out brawl can

674
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:36,169
be fun and fun to watch in its own way

675
00:27:39,879 --> 00:27:37,970
but these are more just a kick to the

676
00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:39,889
taint you know so it's it's a little bit

677
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:42,830
a little bit more efficient and a

678
00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:46,970
distilled album hopefully and when is it

679
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:49,309
expected to come out we're launching

680
00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:50,809
we're hoping for for end of the summer

681
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:53,720
or maybe maybe early fall to have it and

682
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:55,220
what we're doing with this album which

683
00:27:58,330 --> 00:27:56,690
will be which is also the first time

684
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:58,340
this is the first time I've released a

685
00:28:02,830 --> 00:28:00,440
record while having a podcast so we are

686
00:28:05,169 --> 00:28:02,840
going to put the complete album into the

687
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:05,179
feed for free okay so will be available

688
00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:07,070
as a download and then hopefully if

689
00:28:10,479 --> 00:28:08,840
people like it they can go buy

690
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,489
individual songs go buy the whole thing

691
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:12,710
or by the actual physical CD which will

692
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:15,289
have some hopefully cool packaging which

693
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:16,580
will make it worth it which will it's

694
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:19,249
done I will yes there's an incredible

695
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:20,809
misinformation will design and then

696
00:28:25,239 --> 00:28:23,480
we'll make it worthwhile obviously the

697
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:25,249
reason by the way that I asked about the

698
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:28,190
skeptical what skeptical theme they

699
00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:30,289
might be in the album is you've

700
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:33,080
mentioned in recent short interview that

701
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,100
you've done for the skeptic the

702
00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:36,080
Australian skeptic magazine you talked

703
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:37,639
about how you would if you want a

704
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:39,080
million dollars you would buy all of

705
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,090
team in cincy honest bastard mention

706
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:43,279
yeah you know it's like you see talented

707
00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:44,570
people you just wanted you just want to

708
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:45,280
destroy them

709
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:47,470
to me was more than that he's actually

710
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:49,510
built in entire persona it's a person of

711
00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:51,610
course he's a skeptic himself yeah but

712
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:53,680
by his inclination and the way he looks

713
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:55,510
at the world but he's built a skeptical

714
00:29:01,020 --> 00:28:58,450
persona that sells really well and for

715
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:01,030
you whose natural audience is the

716
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:02,410
skeptics that's which which is why you

717
00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:04,690
feel so much at home here right I'm just

718
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:07,060
wondering whether that might not be in

719
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:08,410
addition to obviously your choices about

720
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:10,570
what kind of things move you and all

721
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:12,280
that but as a commercial choice it might

722
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:15,280
be to go for that kind of audience build

723
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:18,220
you're more of a personís strengthen

724
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:20,050
that persona of a skeptic you're right

725
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:22,420
perhaps an atheist all those things that

726
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:24,010
is there that component is there the

727
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:28,150
marketability yet and then I I do have a

728
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:31,930
fear of running I've never written

729
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:34,120
something because I thought I needed

730
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:37,720
that kind of song or that oh this will

731
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:41,320
help push this this will help sell this

732
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:43,060
I've never done that I've been lucky

733
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:46,930
enough that in my obscurity it allows me

734
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:48,790
a tremendous amount of freedom to make

735
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,560
the exact kind of decisions and choices

736
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:53,200
that I want I love that I love that if I

737
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:54,700
want to have a 10 minute instrumental on

738
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:56,920
an album I can do that whereas or if I

739
00:30:00,990 --> 00:29:58,930
want to have you know 53 minutes songs I

740
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,000
can do that I can write about anything I

741
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:03,760
want to write about I can have it sound

742
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:06,250
any way I want to sound I would worry

743
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:10,390
that if you start trying to write

744
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:13,000
towards a market that that's going to

745
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:17,710
limit me a little bit that being said I

746
00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:19,390
do know when I do the podcast every week

747
00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:22,060
I could sometimes obviously as you can

748
00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:23,560
tell I could talk for an hour and a half

749
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:24,760
and I can't do that every week just

750
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:27,520
because it's it's inefficient and you

751
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:29,860
know I would lose a certain audience or

752
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:31,900
whatever so that and there are certain

753
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:33,220
bits that are popular so I'll think you

754
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,680
know what I haven't done a religious man

755
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:36,880
of the week in a while and that's a very

756
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:38,730
popular bit I should throw that in again

757
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:41,350
not to throw a bone to the audience but

758
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,550
it's just as something that's popular

759
00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:44,880
and will help push everything along so

760
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,680
if I noticed on the record there was not

761
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:49,360
a single song they have to do with

762
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:51,400
critical thinking or atheism or

763
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:53,050
skepticism then maybe something would go

764
00:30:58,550 --> 00:30:54,040
off in my head

765
00:31:00,750 --> 00:30:58,560
um I don't know maybe maybe you know to

766
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:00,760
put together something which is

767
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:03,250
purposefully constructed with that idea

768
00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:04,450
in mind yeah that could be interesting

769
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:08,230
now you also arise of course wrote a non

770
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:10,660
coloring book young and again i'm a

771
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:12,010
writer the way I'm a guitarist but yeah

772
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:14,590
yeah but i'm just wondering whether is

773
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:16,090
there any other book in the other thing

774
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:18,130
though oh well I non colouring book was

775
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:19,570
a collection of essays and sort of

776
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:22,390
silliness there have been for the show

777
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:24,820
I've written a number of things that I

778
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:26,380
just did a reading it another convention

779
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:28,390
and I really enjoyed that and I realized

780
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:30,280
I have a lot of stuff kind of a can so

781
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:33,400
it was a very different kind of process

782
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:35,650
and pleasurable in a very different way

783
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:37,720
but just as pleasurable so yeah maybe

784
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:40,660
not a collection of silly stuff at some

785
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:43,990
point i don't know i don't know there's

786
00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:45,790
always there's always something i could

787
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:48,580
be doing so maybe yet non coloring book

788
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:51,160
to or yeah nan nan geography book or

789
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:53,020
something yet non Agnes that's pretty

790
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:55,390
good yeah not a single map in a book

791
00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:57,010
called non atlas I'm getting some

792
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,870
signature that we are times I got

793
00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:00,640
questions are just one more thing that I

794
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:02,280
want to ask you about that is a

795
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:04,930
potential trip to Australia so obviously

796
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:07,390
we are talking about potentially you

797
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:11,140
coming over 44 which excites me to no

798
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:13,240
end let me tell you yes it excites us as

799
00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:15,610
well study recently we did a little

800
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:19,000
exercise where you mentioned in yourself

801
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:21,460
for people to send me an email oh oh

802
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:23,740
it's my trading fans yes and the idea

803
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:25,450
was to you know if enough people

804
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:27,370
answered you know we may be able to do

805
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:32,170
something and 13 dedicated fans server

806
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:34,210
didn't blow up for it really yeah

807
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:36,460
actually I think it was 13 within the

808
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:38,170
first week and I think about 10 more

809
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:40,590
over the next over the next few weeks so

810
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:43,090
while you're Australian fans are lazy

811
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:45,550
there are there so I'm just wondering we

812
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:46,900
have anything to say to your Australian

813
00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:50,200
fans I would love to meet each and every

814
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:51,920
one of you and and

815
00:32:59,440 --> 00:32:55,580
and we could go wallaby riding not some

816
00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:59,450
solving is it it's like ya know of the

817
00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:00,860
National suppose in Australia is

818
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,840
drinking I think you can do that well I

819
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:04,820
mean I know you think I can watch yeah

820
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:06,890
yeah I can be the designated driver I

821
00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:09,170
think folks here's the deal if i come i

822
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:11,240
will be your designated driver so you

823
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:13,490
can get completely pissed every night we

824
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:15,170
hang out and you will get home safely

825
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:18,980
with minimal fondling from me promise no

826
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:20,930
I've since I've been a kid I wanted to

827
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:22,340
go to the Galapagos I want to go to

828
00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:23,750
Australia and I went to the Galapagos

829
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:25,670
last year so it's it's your turn folks

830
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,220
ok no I would love to I wouldn't

831
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:30,320
absolutely love to do thanks very much

832
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,060
for thank you very much thank you thanks

833
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:34,640
very much as sure as the starbelly

834
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:37,040
Sneetches butter the underside of their

835
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:40,520
toast all things being equal the

836
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:44,360
simplest answers were close don't rely

837
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:47,450
on Vishnu Buddha Ron Popeil or the Holy

838
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:51,380
Ghost just consider these words and that

839
00:34:17,280 --> 00:33:53,450
ship like you're sailing on might not

840
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:19,129
you

841
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:23,899
every channel all that I do is see

842
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:30,450
oceans of gumbo conformity oh I've had

843
00:34:42,049 --> 00:34:34,409
enough of on the smiles and on the teeth

844
00:34:45,799 --> 00:34:42,059
and all the nights and I've had my fill

845
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:45,809
of promises from magic raised to

846
00:35:02,410 --> 00:34:58,210
a channel that flashes before me I can't

847
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:02,420
believe the level of spirituality oh

848
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:07,280
I've had enough I'm the geek so it

849
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:14,270
claimed to have found the way I wish

850
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:16,580
that guy watching would just take a sec

851
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:32,400
yourself little man you draw on a chair

852
00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:35,720
that may have a plan

853
00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:40,220
cause everyone's lost she'll keep in the

854
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:42,980
sand and when they're trying to sell to

855
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,600
three more yourself little

856
00:35:58,070 --> 00:35:55,110
draw them share

857
00:36:02,330 --> 00:35:58,080
how to run your world

858
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,340
cause everyone the same choking back the

859
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:04,920
nervous home and him they tell you they

860
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:18,520
reading all the pages in standard

861
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:22,369
magazines I wonder if they're realize

862
00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:25,940
with all that small friend means whoa

863
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:30,140
you need a microscope to read about the

864
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,470
normals get rungy yeah

865
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:39,200
and to see that these results not

866
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:42,290
typical and this auburn is born any

867
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:51,460
watching all the people please bet after

868
00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:55,300
amazing vet I wonder if they realize

869
00:37:02,320 --> 00:36:58,900
they're mills players to raise undead oh

870
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:02,330
but they don't want to hear about the

871
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:11,060
odds a statistic at me cuz there no one

872
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:12,920
guy who's got a friend who's got a

873
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:14,630
brother who read a book by this other

874
00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:16,520
guy says that hey this stuff always

875
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:25,990
that's what I say

876
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:37,240
yo check one two hey we're on the dudes

877
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:40,280
cuz when you can't laugh at yourself you

878
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:46,700
oh you're

879
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:48,530
friend

880
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:51,240
is it you know that they like

881
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:54,710
or is it the money you spend

882
00:38:02,440 --> 00:37:58,970
we're up the charts grab a brakeman band

883
00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:02,450
I on to question anything to them it's

884
00:38:13,570 --> 00:38:05,740
just like yeah

885
00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:47,280
Oh

886
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:52,030
comfy cozy chair no one seems to

887
00:38:57,610 --> 00:39:05,380
the promises that are so damn traveler

888
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:08,900
and I can't conceive the casa creeps and

889
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:12,110
cretins who continue to be so uncannily

890
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:26,500
don't believe what I said but but your

891
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:29,150
stocking was done

892
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:32,990
all the back L nevermind up your own

893
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:35,690
song or else the punch you might get

894
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:38,940
won't be

895
00:39:47,849 --> 00:39:53,060
Peter of your past apart

896
00:40:06,490 --> 00:39:55,700
yeah please

897
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:36,020
you just

898
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,240
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899
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:41,890
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900
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,870
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901
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,000
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902
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:48,730
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903
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,130
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904
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:53,200
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905
00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:55,380
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906
00:41:18,180 --> 00:40:58,060
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907
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908
00:41:26,229 --> 00:41:24,019
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909
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:26,239
finally reveal truth about the furry

910
00:41:31,569 --> 00:41:28,729
features of the phenomenon that the man

911
00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:31,579
tries to hide probably in the shed

912
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:33,640
behind the gardening equipment

913
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,249
conspiracy cartography just another

914
00:41:42,339 --> 00:41:39,680
example of the popularity of Doc Martens

915
00:41:44,979 --> 00:41:42,349
being worn by emo kids on the 315 to

916
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:44,989
chatswood we talked to the skeptic

917
00:41:50,979 --> 00:41:47,630
Richard Saunders about the likelihood of

918
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:50,989
a boot foot conspiracy but first let us

919
00:41:54,969 --> 00:41:53,150
indulge in a time line tracing the

920
00:41:57,279 --> 00:41:54,979
history of this maligned and mistreated

921
00:41:59,319 --> 00:41:57,289
mammal lost in the annals of Australian

922
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:59,329
or overlooked in favour the more

923
00:42:05,019 --> 00:42:02,420
mythical creatures hoop snake the Bunya

924
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:05,029
ball the drop bear and fashion icon

925
00:42:10,959 --> 00:42:08,869
Maggie de berault 1614 the native

926
00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:10,969
inhabitants of Australia do the first

927
00:42:15,759 --> 00:42:13,279
recorded impressions of good foot on the

928
00:42:18,099 --> 00:42:15,769
cave walls in Binh de mala mala a suburb

929
00:42:20,049 --> 00:42:18,109
just outside when the gallery there two

930
00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:20,059
pictures reflect a shy humble creature

931
00:42:25,989 --> 00:42:22,369
he wished for nothing more than to play

932
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:25,999
an xbox 360 in peace tragically the

933
00:42:30,579 --> 00:42:27,950
technology required to facilitate hours

934
00:42:33,999 --> 00:42:30,589
of game time on boom boom rocket did not

935
00:42:35,979 --> 00:42:34,009
exist until 2005 this led to fits of

936
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:35,989
incoherent rage and motorsports on

937
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:38,569
behalf of beautiful leaving large tracks

938
00:42:42,969 --> 00:42:40,670
throughout the region which later became

939
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:42,979
popular sites for BMX rallies and skate

940
00:42:50,289 --> 00:42:47,599
parks 1902 boot foot emerges from his

941
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:50,299
years of soul to terrorize a mrs. Mindy

942
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:52,999
hood of north shore sydney by eating her

943
00:42:57,969 --> 00:42:55,729
daffodils beaten soundly with a wedgwood

944
00:43:00,219 --> 00:42:57,979
tea tray and covered in tea leaves boot

945
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:00,229
foot flees the scene after failing an

946
00:43:04,509 --> 00:43:01,910
audition for the role of Captain tight

947
00:43:07,269 --> 00:43:04,519
pants in gilbert and sullivan's speaker

948
00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:07,279
there goes my bloomers this is the first

949
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,229
recorded modern sighting of boot foot

950
00:43:13,329 --> 00:43:11,119
which has been a subject of debate and

951
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:13,339
panels for at least 10 minutes over the

952
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:17,180
water cooler 1935 President Roosevelt

953
00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:19,249
controlled by overseer Bernard Baruch

954
00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:22,099
orders the pyramid all-seeing eye and

955
00:43:27,459 --> 00:43:24,920
Latin inscription nervous Otto seclorum

956
00:43:29,739 --> 00:43:27,469
be placed on the US one dollar bill in

957
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:29,749
this year if you hold it up to the light

958
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:30,850
and squint

959
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:33,130
hard you can kind of see boot foot

960
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:35,490
waving from behind the grassy knoll

961
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,840
requests for further investigation into

962
00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:40,560
the matter are unanimously laughed at

963
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:43,180
2009 the year that boot foot is

964
00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:44,650
photographed graduating from the

965
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:46,360
University of New Hampshire with a

966
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:48,790
degree in dental hygiene which is why we

967
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:50,280
can't show you his face on television

968
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:53,050
however we secure an interview with

969
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:55,780
skeptic Richard Saunders about the

970
00:44:03,630 --> 00:43:59,170
matter Richard Saunders are you hiding

971
00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:03,640
evidence of boot foot huh what but what

972
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,520
boot footwear and there we have it

973
00:44:10,590 --> 00:44:08,680
further investigations will not be

974
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:10,600
hindered by the ignorance of skeptics

975
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:12,850
and we will continue to stake out the

976
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:14,950
local suppliers of blundstone Docs and

977
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:16,990
Ireland weaves until our questions

978
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:21,400
answered to our satisfaction we seek the

979
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:39,590
Australian skeptics through our sponsor

980
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:42,510
dick smith recently placed an ad in The

981
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:45,540
Australian a national newspaper this ad

982
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:47,820
was warning parents about the antics of

983
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:49,980
the Australian vaccination at work a

984
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:52,650
group to our way of thinking seems to be

985
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:55,970
promoting the message not to vaccinate

986
00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:58,200
this of course stood up a lot of

987
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,150
controversy and interest and here is our

988
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:02,910
own reporter joanne been amoo calling up

989
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:05,730
talkback radio in sydney to discuss the

990
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,790
subject I'm gonna wring my day job hi

991
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:10,410
Andrea well another one who's been

992
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:11,730
waiting a long time appreciate it I

993
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,170
think that's right I'm look I'm a

994
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:16,170
registered nurse and I expect should be

995
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:19,050
heartily applauded for bringing what is

996
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:20,670
bigger such a fundamentally important

997
00:45:25,850 --> 00:45:23,730
public health issue to our attention I

998
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:25,860
think that you know over the years we've

999
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,660
probably come a little bit complacent in

1000
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:30,000
our awareness of immunization because we

1001
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:31,590
no longer see the ill effects of the

1002
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:33,660
diseases that we are able to prevent

1003
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:36,060
with the vaccinations and our children

1004
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,610
and that we as adults have but

1005
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,740
everything that we know about the

1006
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:43,280
science behind immunization is

1007
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,770
absolutely very much demonstrates safety

1008
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,020
of immunization we're obviously we're

1009
00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:51,180
aware with any intervention that there

1010
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,100
are risks involved but as it has been

1011
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:55,140
said that to benefits far outweigh the

1012
00:45:59,110 --> 00:45:57,690
risk and unfortunately the doctors

1013
00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:59,120
available on to us when we've had

1014
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:02,910
injections for our kids you know this

1015
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:05,820
may cause this if they have this and all

1016
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,710
that sort of thing your way it up you

1017
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:09,780
make a responsible decision the end of

1018
00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:12,330
the Tay you know unless your kids got

1019
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:15,020
some medical condition that would be

1020
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:17,430
that you know it's going to have an

1021
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:19,620
adverse reaction to the injections and

1022
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:21,990
advice on a terribly irresponsible and

1023
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:23,910
not have it kids immuno and in fact that

1024
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:25,020
actually raises one of the most

1025
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:26,490
important points which is the issue of

1026
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:28,590
herd immunity which people don't know

1027
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:30,990
what that is the more people in any

1028
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:34,170
population that are immunized the more

1029
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,150
people who are unable to be immunized

1030
00:46:41,570 --> 00:46:39,240
because of it was likely leukemia or

1031
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:41,580
I immune-compromised are protected by

1032
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:44,430
the fact that we are vaccinated the more

1033
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:45,990
of us that are vaccinated the lesser a

1034
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:48,330
particular condition can be passed

1035
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:50,310
around the population and therefore by

1036
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:51,690
choosing to immunize your children

1037
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:54,330
you're making a health decision for the

1038
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:56,130
entire population and by choosing not to

1039
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,690
immunize your children you're also

1040
00:47:00,920 --> 00:46:59,280
making a decision for other people

1041
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,930
children and there are times we need to

1042
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:02,700
get immunized ourselves by when the big

1043
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:04,290
whooping cough scare was going on a few

1044
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:06,330
months ago where you got injected my

1045
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:08,970
sister with her kids and her husband got

1046
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:11,130
injected my mom and dad got in jacquard

1047
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:12,240
because there's been a lot of time with

1048
00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:13,890
the kids oh I think that that also goes

1049
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:15,600
to the government and their

1050
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:18,300
responsibilities to us in there you know

1051
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:20,010
a lot of people may not be aware that as

1052
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,750
an adult you need to have booster shots

1053
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:24,240
where he is and I think the government

1054
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,890
orphan is to sort of look at this issue

1055
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:27,900
and look at you know there were some

1056
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:29,340
excellent public health campaigns around

1057
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:31,290
immunization many years ago and he's

1058
00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:32,430
really need to look at doing something

1059
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:34,440
sort of i'm at all yeah i think also

1060
00:47:39,350 --> 00:47:35,790
that what you mentioned earlier about

1061
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:39,360
the the risk of children getting autism

1062
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,970
from vaccinations that was driven by a

1063
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,740
study that was done in the early 90s

1064
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,720
which has been wholeheartedly thrown out

1065
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:47,400
by the scientific of course it is a

1066
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:50,369
stochastic Smith venture before Joe you

1067
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:52,410
do some research on the submarine air is

1068
00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:55,410
absolutely no medical proof these things

1069
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,990
are triggered because of immunization

1070
00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:59,880
lovely as you said the anti-vaccination

1071
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,460
lobby are very very loud lobbies and

1072
00:48:06,590 --> 00:48:04,619
they engage in fear tactics which which

1073
00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:06,600
would make people feel uncertain the

1074
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voice is tailored unfortunately daddy

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all right good on you thank you nice to

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talk to you 13 1873 the overline

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00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:19,780
hey Phil Plait here from the bad

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00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:21,800
astronomy blog and I'm also president of

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00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:23,380
the James Randi Educational Foundation

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00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:25,609
now if you've read pretty much anything

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00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:27,290
I have ever written you know that I am a

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00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:29,450
pretty big dork for both astronomy and

1083
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:31,790
science fiction and I'm thrilled to be

1084
00:48:36,339 --> 00:48:33,890
able to combine the two by co-hosting a

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00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:36,349
star party this year at Dragon Con in

1086
00:48:40,839 --> 00:48:38,810
Atlanta Georgia my co-host is going to

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00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:40,849
be podcaster and fellow astronomer in a

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00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:43,190
dear friend of mine Pamela gay we're

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00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:45,290
doing this thursday September third at

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00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:47,450
seven p.m. at the bradley observatory at

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00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:49,099
agnes scott college in atlanta georgia

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00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:51,500
this is the night before dragoncon stars

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00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,930
this is an honor of Jeff Medcalf who

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00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:55,550
used to blog under the name blue collar

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00:48:59,470 --> 00:48:57,710
scientist he was a skeptic and an

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00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:59,480
astronomer and a friend of mine and he

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00:49:03,609 --> 00:49:01,910
died last year of liver cancer all the

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00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,619
proceeds from this event are going to

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00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:05,839
the American Cancer Society so this is a

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00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:08,690
great event for a great cause it's being

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00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:11,240
sponsored by the Atlanta skeptics so all

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00:49:16,059 --> 00:49:13,910
you need to do is go to Atlanta skeptics

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00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:16,069
calm and in the upper right hand corner

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is a link that says star party click

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that you get all the information you

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00:49:25,089 --> 00:49:23,390
need so again Atlanta skeptics com click

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00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,099
on the star party link we're going to be

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00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:26,720
looking at Jupiter and the moon and

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00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,550
talking about astronomy and it's really

1110
00:49:33,339 --> 00:49:30,800
going to be a good time and it really is

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00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:33,349
for an honestly good cause so I hope to

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00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:46,609
hi I'm Jason and I'm Andrew from the

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00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:48,180
nonsense podcast bringing you a

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00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:50,970
skeptical overview of news religion and

1115
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:52,770
all forms of pseudoscience we're

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00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:54,569
defending science and reason against the

1117
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,130
onslaught of medical and spiritual

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00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,960
nonsense all week we are busy

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00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,000
researching and debunking pseudoscience

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00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:02,940
but on the seventh day we listened sent

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00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:05,220
a skeptic zone check us out at nonsense

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00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:08,010
podcast libsyn com or search for the

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00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,730
nonsense podcast on itunes join us now

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00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:17,760
for drinking skeptically in the think

1125
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,760
seems to be outside including whole

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00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:28,140
which it's another guy give it another

1127
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:33,270
go take two from glorious her yes in

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Western Australia it's the perfect think

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questions and you think I'm clumsy

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00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:48,810
Bailey's everywhere what a fabulous time

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00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:51,000
that dr. hello dr. AG I Richard how I

1132
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:53,790
I'm still getting over this wretched

1133
00:50:58,220 --> 00:50:55,860
damn skeptic flu I tell you one and

1134
00:50:59,840 --> 00:50:58,230
hello took out our reporter Kylie

1135
00:51:02,480 --> 00:50:59,850
Sturgis hello I've got a mouthful of

1136
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:02,490
mushroom pizza sorry okay it's really

1137
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:03,840
good though there's actually Peter

1138
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:05,490
scattered about before so there's

1139
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:07,140
various people here drinking and nomming

1140
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:09,390
I'm glad to say and I want to thank you

1141
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:11,850
to everyone here who turned up to watch

1142
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,130
and listen to dr. H and I give out talks

1143
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:17,520
last night i hope you enjoyed those hmm

1144
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:21,090
Madge let me start with you oh god tell

1145
00:51:26,810 --> 00:51:25,230
me about the dinosaurs I collect plastic

1146
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:26,820
dinosaurs I have done since I was about

1147
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,210
6 i've got probably about 200 250 I've

1148
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:34,920
done in my room about medicine bookshelf

1149
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:36,630
on the front of my thin and I've got

1150
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:37,770
some more on this other thing and I've

1151
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:38,940
got the expensive ones in the you know

1152
00:51:42,590 --> 00:51:41,160
twenty thirty forty dollars H room and

1153
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,600
I've got a two dollar short ones i just

1154
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:44,700
have millions and i was eyeing these

1155
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:46,650
little earrings on your website and i

1156
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:48,570
was like 20 US dollars i might have to

1157
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,950
shell out for that and then they were

1158
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:51,480
here in there 10 bucks and I was like

1159
00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:53,850
yes it's a special for it's a special

1160
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:55,860
price of course is special no match can

1161
00:52:01,280 --> 00:51:58,740
you tell our listeners where you're from

1162
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:01,290
and what you're about I'm from Perth

1163
00:52:05,570 --> 00:52:03,420
obviously I'm from the UWA atheist and

1164
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:05,580
agnostic society where basically the

1165
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:08,640
closest then you WA has to a skeptical

1166
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:11,030
group right we're pretty awesome um

1167
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:13,710
basically we've just started we've got a

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00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:15,450
theist in the tab which is skeptics in

1169
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:17,310
the pub that mm-hmm differently named

1170
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,850
more

1171
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,400
down to a uni student style and what we

1172
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:22,200
basically do is print out awareness that

1173
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:23,700
you know atheists to exist and we are

1174
00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:27,300
good kid people and like we have every

1175
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:28,950
week we have a poster that has some sort

1176
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:30,840
of witty little quote or phrase on it

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00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:32,610
and we've been pretty successful at

1178
00:52:36,350 --> 00:52:34,950
least this year you know just getting

1179
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:36,360
awareness out and it's surprisingly

1180
00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:37,860
easier just to have a property

1181
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,630
University you know the guilty are

1182
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:41,640
supportive and you have a website I

1183
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:44,550
trust we have a facebook facebook whoa

1184
00:52:48,110 --> 00:52:46,650
we're facebook group and a Google Group

1185
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:48,120
and that's about Twitter are we having

1186
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:50,970
my own which I haven't updated yeah in

1187
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:53,910
about a year but if you were to have a

1188
00:53:02,050 --> 00:52:56,010
Twitter what do you think it would be

1189
00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:02,060
cool I don't know it was the pretty drop

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00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,300
all right I guess he's free if you want

1191
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:08,280
well Charlie granted like that well I'll

1192
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,410
put it that way I can I please I'll put

1193
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,480
it this way when you do let me know and

1194
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:14,160
we can let everybody know about that are

1195
00:53:19,850 --> 00:53:15,660
there any other people here from other

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00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:19,860
groups representative today goodness me

1197
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:21,930
a few minutes I think I'm just ducked

1198
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,610
out for drink but I know Arthur the

1199
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:25,380
Perth atheist is certainly a good lord

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00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:27,870
are you regularly yeah all comfy we want

1201
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,080
closer tell us yes tell us me Emily but

1202
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:34,200
that is well it's a group might have

1203
00:53:39,970 --> 00:53:35,960
been going for about

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00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:39,980
year and a half they are Spurs yep just

1205
00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:45,490
started as a meetup group people

1206
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,190
basically apply to the webpage started

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:51,440
with about 10 people of us meeting

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00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:55,490
announcer 46 open ass good-bye although

1209
00:54:00,579 --> 00:53:56,869
people have dropped off the other end as

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00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:00,589
well okay and the website the website

1211
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:07,640
but share grant maintains yes I haven't

1212
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:11,570
been there for a while we do the walk

1213
00:54:16,329 --> 00:54:13,790
it's not something rather for that

1214
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:16,339
redirects to the meetup page I think the

1215
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:18,020
best thing would be for people to google

1216
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:22,490
go to meetup com medias I must admit

1217
00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:24,530
most of the action and events and

1218
00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:26,540
networking we do is through the meetup

1219
00:54:30,339 --> 00:54:29,270
com sighs yeah and I think that's

1220
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:30,349
probably one of the most powerful

1221
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:32,180
influences that we have in terms of

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00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:33,650
getting in touch with people we found

1223
00:54:37,570 --> 00:54:35,390
that salon that I go we found that in

1224
00:54:40,839 --> 00:54:37,580
Sydney yeah we found that in Sydney when

1225
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:40,849
rachey actually was very implemented in

1226
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,369
very implemented in setting up the

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00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:47,839
meetup group in Sydney which brought in

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00:54:52,510 --> 00:54:49,730
a lot of people to our skeptics in the

1229
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:52,520
pub I must say it was fantastic it was

1230
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:54,650
it was really good so Reggie have you

1231
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:56,300
been enjoying your time in Perth and of

1232
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,490
course you're not strange to Perth no

1233
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:00,740
I'm not in fact I used to live in perth

1234
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:03,830
when I was about 10 until i was around

1235
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:06,650
about 12 i think i lived in morley does

1236
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,540
anyone know where that is from here are

1237
00:55:14,609 --> 00:55:10,960
you are you from doing

1238
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:14,619
okay i lived in chesnee Street Molly

1239
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,990
yeah that's all true would be no idea

1240
00:55:21,730 --> 00:55:20,480
there's now a massive shopping center

1241
00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:21,740
there that I thought you about to say

1242
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:24,700
there's now a plaque on this building

1243
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:28,400
commemorate say crece day we've nervous

1244
00:55:33,819 --> 00:55:32,660
waving vaccination posters dumb

1245
00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:33,829
written around money somewhere I think

1246
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:37,660
it's a cat art place i used to live at

1247
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,490
the tire place i've been here a couple

1248
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:42,319
of times after that though which is

1249
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,839
because I've got some academic

1250
00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:46,880
colleagues at the UW a university of

1251
00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:49,160
western australia and that's where we

1252
00:55:52,359 --> 00:55:50,599
spoke last night and i'm going to be

1253
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:52,369
speaking there again tomorrow in depth

1254
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:54,890
as well so yeah it's great to be back in

1255
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:56,750
Perth I love this place and we did a bit

1256
00:56:00,220 --> 00:55:58,940
of a tour today with Kylie because it

1257
00:56:03,509 --> 00:56:00,230
only gets lost in the car quite easily

1258
00:56:07,059 --> 00:56:03,519
so suddenly it becomes a scene it to

1259
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:07,069
petrol in the car ran out of petrol so

1260
00:56:12,279 --> 00:56:09,500
that probably didn't get a chance to

1261
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:12,289
gaze at the ocean that Fremantle we saw

1262
00:56:17,049 --> 00:56:14,900
dolphins today I did we thought we saw

1263
00:56:20,109 --> 00:56:17,059
rottnest island as well we stared at

1264
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:20,119
rottenness for about an hour the weight

1265
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:22,450
over the RAC to come and give my car oh

1266
00:56:26,769 --> 00:56:24,470
that was it was nice to have a little

1267
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:26,779
break there and then and I saw the spot

1268
00:56:30,759 --> 00:56:28,220
I saw the very spot where you

1269
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:30,769
interviewed Tim mentioned yes for the

1270
00:56:34,990 --> 00:56:32,809
tank podcast and that was the very first

1271
00:56:37,509 --> 00:56:35,000
interview I've ever done and it was a

1272
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:37,519
textbook example of how not to do an

1273
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:38,410
interview

1274
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,089
even because I found a spot which not

1275
00:56:44,370 --> 00:56:42,160
only had a lot of wind going past but

1276
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:44,380
had buses going past it had an airplane

1277
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:46,690
went past at one point and because it

1278
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,970
was behind the Indiana teahouse rooms

1279
00:56:54,329 --> 00:56:50,890
which is a gorgeous place where we went

1280
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:54,339
to check out it has bar star bar staff

1281
00:57:00,960 --> 00:56:56,950
who recognized who Tim Minchin was they

1282
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:00,970
came out with my interview and we had to

1283
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:02,980
stop the whole thing as you when I come

1284
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,000
nevertheless it was a great interview

1285
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:11,680
and of course listeners can go to they

1286
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,010
can google tank vodcast and see all the

1287
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:16,960
old episodes we used to do as a video

1288
00:57:22,829 --> 00:57:20,200
show before the skeptic zone and

1289
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:22,839
hopefully my interviewing skills have

1290
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:24,069
improved since then I know that Tim

1291
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:26,230
mentions Korea has certainly boomed

1292
00:57:30,029 --> 00:57:28,329
since then so now I doubt if you how to

1293
00:57:31,529 --> 00:57:30,039
go about two years ago was about two

1294
00:57:32,579 --> 00:57:31,539
years ago now i'm actually wouldn't be

1295
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:32,589
able to go through the main streets of

1296
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:36,250
birth without everybody which i think is

1297
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:37,500
really cool but he's one of the

1298
00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:39,910
skeptical heroes out there and he comes

1299
00:57:45,059 --> 00:57:43,000
around humble in town so it's very good

1300
00:57:49,289 --> 00:57:45,069
island good on him now i was just going

1301
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:49,299
to mention how much i enjoyed last night

1302
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:51,700
and especially watching dr. rachey with

1303
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:55,690
her doctor rachey reports because this

1304
00:57:59,970 --> 00:57:58,210
is a similar talk to once she gave a few

1305
00:58:01,500 --> 00:57:59,980
months ago in Melbourne but since then

1306
00:58:03,569 --> 00:58:01,510
of course we've had a lot more news on

1307
00:58:05,339 --> 00:58:03,579
the anti-vaccination front and I'm

1308
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:05,349
curious to know the people here who came

1309
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:07,660
to the talk last night how much of that

1310
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:11,529
was i popping lee new brain snapping

1311
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,890
information for you we've no no matter

1312
00:58:19,890 --> 00:58:16,480
for a long time you know that we

1313
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:19,900
listened to the podcast every week oh

1314
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:22,750
there you go there you go so you're up

1315
00:58:26,609 --> 00:58:24,609
to date with all this goings-on with the

1316
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:26,619
thumb vaccination yeah it's really

1317
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:30,430
really fun of Jim Carrey movies we

1318
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:34,960
download them instead but we have not

1319
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,260
identified who has said that city and we

1320
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:40,720
will not reveal anything if anyone is

1321
00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:43,150
listening who's not impressed yes we are

1322
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,220
an isolated city that information gets

1323
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:48,000
here at the same time yeah that's right

1324
00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:51,130
that's right now it was it was um it was

1325
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:54,069
after the talk I said to Rachel this is

1326
00:58:57,779 --> 00:58:55,930
so good it's fun to give these talks

1327
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:57,789
it's really enjoyable for us to it sort

1328
00:59:01,559 --> 00:58:59,410
of recharges the batteries a little bit

1329
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:01,569
too to have the tilt more people about

1330
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:03,700
what's what's going on what do you think

1331
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:06,220
Carly um yes one of the things that I

1332
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,140
would really love to do not only have

1333
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:10,240
you mentioned about getting in touch

1334
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,990
with other cities like birth but also

1335
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,520
getting in touch with things which are

1336
00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:18,160
specific to each cities and on episode

1337
00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:20,680
37 of the skeptics own podcast i

1338
00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:22,750
mentioned how there's a certain psychic

1339
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:25,000
claim that she knew about the death of

1340
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:28,510
coral rainy i believe a woman whose body

1341
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:31,839
was sadly discovered in Kings Park and

1342
00:59:37,049 --> 00:59:33,970
she had in fact published a book about

1343
00:59:38,279 --> 00:59:37,059
it and her name of the psychic which is

1344
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:38,289
dreadful because I was reviewing the

1345
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:40,270
podcast on the road bein Debbie Malone

1346
00:59:44,849 --> 00:59:42,670
thank you it always escapes me it's like

1347
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,859
so humble sweet sounding like Debbie

1348
00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:47,440
Malone hello I'm Debbie Malone

1349
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:49,300
published a book and I'm claiming that I

1350
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:51,910
am a psychic detective and we had a

1351
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:53,710
battle between the two major newspapers

1352
00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:55,330
in Western Australia the West Australian

1353
01:00:00,510 --> 00:59:58,930
who said this is nonsense that the

1354
01:00:02,370 --> 01:00:00,520
police would not use psychic detectives

1355
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:02,380
and i believe the Sun daytime knows the

1356
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:04,650
West Australian who said that they do

1357
01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:07,060
believe that the West Australian police

1358
01:00:11,490 --> 01:00:08,740
sports you psychic detectives and the

1359
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:11,500
Sunday Times said no that's not true I'm

1360
01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:12,820
with people familiar with that case

1361
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:15,070
before yes yeah what what did you know

1362
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:16,750
well understand that so the police

1363
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:19,630
ultimately acknowledged that they they

1364
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:22,570
had a junior inspector so something

1365
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:24,250
quite junior to the team had a

1366
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,030
conversation with and that's how the the

1367
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:30,400
West got the view that she had they

1368
01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:32,500
weren't using using her and I've since

1369
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:34,420
apologized and indicated that they never

1370
01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:36,910
they've never actually in a professional

1371
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:38,620
capacity use psychics or anything like

1372
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:41,410
that and esme asked Carly did she find

1373
01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:43,420
the body or she just claims what it was

1374
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:45,820
already family yeah and afterwards she

1375
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:48,210
continued where it was yeah okay nice

1376
01:00:52,770 --> 01:00:50,770
retroactively yeah little promotion

1377
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:52,780
she's been a lot on that program called

1378
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:54,490
sensing murder as well hasn't she where

1379
01:00:58,590 --> 01:00:56,260
they go out and get psychics to do

1380
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:58,600
because i think i saw it might have been

1381
01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:00,970
that case or maybe another one where she

1382
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:02,470
was actually involved and they went to

1383
01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:05,260
kings park i think and she got to a

1384
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:06,940
certain area and started freaking out

1385
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:08,440
and going like hunt fun part but this

1386
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:10,930
was after that information was already

1387
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:13,420
published in the media and that that's

1388
01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:15,370
near where the body was found that show

1389
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:17,260
went to migrate from Australia to New

1390
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:19,330
Zealand yeah and so did a lot of the

1391
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:27,970
psychics yeah Vinnie's dropped again now

1392
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:33,309
so a lot of Australian psychics right

1393
01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:35,750
one or two I a lot i don't i'm not sure

1394
01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:38,780
at least some suddenly we're now popping

1395
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:41,720
up on sensing murder in New Zealand but

1396
01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:44,150
the funny thing is all the sensing

1397
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:45,380
murders that were sadly made in this

1398
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:47,450
country and the horrible thing inflicted

1399
01:01:53,319 --> 01:01:49,730
now on to the people in New Zealand of

1400
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:53,329
course the result is no no crime has

1401
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,510
been solved from these ridiculous show

1402
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:57,920
that's the funny thing I find about

1403
01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:59,450
sensing murder and I don't know if

1404
01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:01,040
anyone else here watch is the credits of

1405
01:02:04,809 --> 01:02:02,750
that show but they always say at the end

1406
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:04,819
this crime is still under investigation

1407
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:08,000
and has not been solved despite the fact

1408
01:02:11,859 --> 01:02:09,650
that they've just presented a dozen

1409
01:02:13,539 --> 01:02:11,869
psychics who have gone around saying oh

1410
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:13,549
we've got bad vibes here but they never

1411
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:16,880
ever solve anything oh yea i meant

1412
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:19,849
purposes yeah it's a very entertained is

1413
01:02:23,950 --> 01:02:21,770
entertaining watching someone there

1414
01:02:26,859 --> 01:02:23,960
should be a newly invented for this sort

1415
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:26,869
of entertainment which is exploiting and

1416
01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:29,960
manipulative and very sad and wrong is

1417
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:32,980
it exploitative I think I won't any

1418
01:02:38,829 --> 01:02:36,710
reality TV on occasion is this really or

1419
01:02:41,410 --> 01:02:38,839
maybe maybe a word to emphasize the more

1420
01:02:43,630 --> 01:02:41,420
pathetic nature of it the more it's just

1421
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:43,640
it is sad it's at its people being

1422
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,170
dragged through the memories of their

1423
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:47,839
lost loved ones yet again for these

1424
01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:50,049
people not slightly false hope

1425
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:52,220
absolutely you're quite correct and

1426
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:53,660
people make a lot of money over how many

1427
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,809
people knew about the psychic task force

1428
01:02:59,940 --> 01:02:58,160
who performed for two nights at the

1429
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:59,950
burswood casino here

1430
01:03:04,109 --> 01:03:01,839
what do you remember about that remember

1431
01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:04,119
there was an article though I remember

1432
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:05,980
about the task force itself an article

1433
01:03:10,290 --> 01:03:08,770
about one of the victims of the Claymont

1434
01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:10,300
serial killer the clermont serial killer

1435
01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:12,579
murdered I think three or four young

1436
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:15,430
women in clermont about 110 years ago

1437
01:03:20,849 --> 01:03:19,089
now and the father was just going on and

1438
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,859
on in this newspaper article about how

1439
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:22,480
horrible it was at how he didn't want to

1440
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:24,250
have anything to do with it and how it

1441
01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:25,599
was terrible how that people that were

1442
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:27,400
dragging her daughter's his daughter's

1443
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,230
name through all this ten years later

1444
01:03:32,910 --> 01:03:30,880
and it was the psychics who are claiming

1445
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:32,920
that they knew yeah and they have these

1446
01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:34,810
crazy theories like it was a guide and

1447
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:36,750
huge you know 40 with he's completely

1448
01:03:46,010 --> 01:03:39,910
obvious sort of it sure is it sorry is

1449
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:48,870
them up on the stage photo ID any yes

1450
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:50,890
that was that picture was also published

1451
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:53,020
in the skeptic magazine the Australian

1452
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:54,670
skeptic magazine yeah of this character

1453
01:03:59,520 --> 01:03:57,790
who look could look like well sister no

1454
01:04:01,170 --> 01:03:59,530
what's the much of an eye out cry out

1455
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:01,180
and if people sort of complain I mean

1456
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:02,890
they would have thought about what

1457
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:05,170
nearly eighty dollars $100 a ticket

1458
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:08,470
receipt and they've got two nights it

1459
01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:10,270
shows how short people's memories are

1460
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:12,190
though I mean the fact that sensing

1461
01:04:16,839 --> 01:04:15,250
murder solved nothing and it's still I

1462
01:04:18,819 --> 01:04:16,849
don't know if it's still being produced

1463
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:18,829
the fact that they had this charade at

1464
01:04:22,359 --> 01:04:21,170
the casino here and there's photo

1465
01:04:24,910 --> 01:04:22,369
identification and all this stuff

1466
01:04:28,690 --> 01:04:24,920
nothing there zero results but people

1467
01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:28,700
forget they just it just vaporizes what

1468
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:30,680
does anyone know I'm sorry you can I

1469
01:04:34,509 --> 01:04:31,849
think the father of one of the victims

1470
01:04:37,569 --> 01:04:34,519
has come out recently and saying how

1471
01:04:39,969 --> 01:04:37,579
horrible it wasn't you have their

1472
01:04:42,729 --> 01:04:39,979
sockets saying these things to him

1473
01:04:44,979 --> 01:04:42,739
giving him that hard do you mean the

1474
01:04:48,910 --> 01:04:44,989
idea that they do something yeah and he

1475
01:04:52,569 --> 01:04:48,920
knew straight away they didn't know yeah

1476
01:04:56,739 --> 01:04:52,579
and he was warning other families of

1477
01:04:58,620 --> 01:04:56,749
other big guns it's tough yeah there was

1478
01:05:01,660 --> 01:04:58,630
an article written in the skeptic by a

1479
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:01,670
Western Australian guy about it and he

1480
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:04,430
said that the father was actually went

1481
01:05:07,539 --> 01:05:06,140
into major depression and was tearing

1482
01:05:10,269 --> 01:05:07,549
his hair out because he was getting

1483
01:05:12,249 --> 01:05:10,279
harassed in his words by or he had

1484
01:05:14,049 --> 01:05:12,259
around 400 psychics call him and say

1485
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:14,059
that they knew and he went on these wild

1486
01:05:17,620 --> 01:05:16,220
goose chases around Western Australia

1487
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:17,630
which all of course led to nothing

1488
01:05:22,209 --> 01:05:20,690
except him being terrible you know her

1489
01:05:25,569 --> 01:05:22,219
ass really I've got a question Richard

1490
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:25,579
look good a group of concerned people in

1491
01:05:31,089 --> 01:05:28,609
Perth who watch this and a funded by

1492
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:31,099
this and disgusted bodies and they might

1493
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:32,660
not be skeptical people there might be

1494
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:34,670
people who think okay maybe there's

1495
01:05:38,739 --> 01:05:36,170
something to psychics but this is just

1496
01:05:42,969 --> 01:05:38,749
soo aslam dodge with even the parents of

1497
01:05:45,249 --> 01:05:42,979
the poor young ladies who have died just

1498
01:05:47,799 --> 01:05:45,259
saying enough is enough what could we do

1499
01:05:49,479 --> 01:05:47,809
to would proactively sort of make a

1500
01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:49,489
stance against this or at least raise a

1501
01:05:53,709 --> 01:05:51,380
bit of awareness then well it's just not

1502
01:05:55,299 --> 01:05:53,719
to be right I mean in this case you'd

1503
01:05:58,299 --> 01:05:55,309
probably want to write to the casino

1504
01:06:00,819 --> 01:05:58,309
yeah to express your sadness and

1505
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:00,829
distress etc about that they would have

1506
01:06:04,749 --> 01:06:02,839
this sort of thing going on you'd write

1507
01:06:06,999 --> 01:06:04,759
television stations which the skeptics

1508
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:07,009
do when sensing murder came out

1509
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:08,460
originally I wrote a long letter

1510
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:11,339
to channel 10 now you might think well

1511
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,540
what good does that do they do

1512
01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:14,460
acknowledge it and read it it does it

1513
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:16,950
actually does make an impact I mean okay

1514
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:18,060
at the end of the day they might have

1515
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,609
produced another episode but at least

1516
01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:22,920
the fact that there's some ones written

1517
01:06:28,099 --> 01:06:25,230
in and to complaint and it's pretty

1518
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:28,109
important that that other people write

1519
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:30,690
in and when i wrote and I wrote in my

1520
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:32,220
capacity at the time of President of

1521
01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:34,170
Australian skeptics on a skeptic

1522
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:36,060
letterhead and I had to put into that a

1523
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:38,070
look now this isn't just me from the

1524
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:40,290
skeptics as a need you because I'm from

1525
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:42,089
the skeptic saying this but if it comes

1526
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:43,740
from just a concerned citizen saying

1527
01:06:49,220 --> 01:06:45,780
hang on a second but what are you doing

1528
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,230
it would probably have more impact so

1529
01:06:52,940 --> 01:06:51,420
don't be scared people if you find

1530
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:52,950
anywhere in the world if something like

1531
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,630
this going on right to the people

1532
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:56,400
involved especially the organizers and

1533
01:07:00,200 --> 01:06:58,020
let them know that this is not a good

1534
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:00,210
thing that's probably the most the best

1535
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:02,130
thing you can do in ish alee you'd

1536
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:03,810
actually be surprised as well it doesn't

1537
01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:05,880
take that many letters to a television

1538
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,800
station before they take action for

1539
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,420
example I used to work in advertising

1540
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:12,000
and if an ad was deemed offensive it

1541
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:14,040
might only be about six or seven letters

1542
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:16,290
were before they had to be addressed by

1543
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:18,330
the Advertising Standards Bureau and it

1544
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:19,830
could get taken off just for six or

1545
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:21,480
seven people saying I found that

1546
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:23,460
offensive so it doesn't need to be an

1547
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:25,650
onslaught necessarily it could be a

1548
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:27,570
dozen people saying this is really

1549
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:30,330
disgusting and then the TV station has

1550
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,690
to redress or the you know casino has to

1551
01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:35,160
redress what they're doing would

1552
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:37,590
consumer life scripts be a good

1553
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:39,890
Avenue as well she were they are perhaps

1554
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:42,030
contravening saying we aren't doing this

1555
01:07:47,570 --> 01:07:44,580
yeah but for the average person to find

1556
01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:47,580
out which laws they're contravening or

1557
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:49,860
whatever is not easy it's it's initially

1558
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:51,990
it's better to write in and not do it in

1559
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:54,720
hysterical terms try to make it as

1560
01:07:59,330 --> 01:07:57,480
matter of fact as possible if you go

1561
01:08:00,830 --> 01:07:59,340
over the top with histrionics and

1562
01:08:03,350 --> 01:08:00,840
sterics it's not going to have the same

1563
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:03,360
impact as a cool come letter expressing

1564
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,460
your sincere outrage or disgust or

1565
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:10,500
condemn I'm a concerned member of the

1566
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:12,900
public yeah they take that really they

1567
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:14,340
really listen to pee because if they

1568
01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:16,410
think I mean again it was a disadvantage

1569
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:17,490
if they think that it's a letter from

1570
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:19,230
the skeptics they're gonna say oh that's

1571
01:08:27,230 --> 01:08:21,890
just the skeptics writing it you know

1572
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:27,240
anyway on a lot of time look there's

1573
01:08:33,770 --> 01:08:30,150
been talk very today in fact about why

1574
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:33,780
not why not there be a local skeptics in

1575
01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:35,970
the pub Perth skeptics in the pub very

1576
01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:39,350
informal lots of drinking lots of pizza

1577
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:42,720
hey we're in the Flying Scotsman you

1578
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:44,760
know we're in that Laurie mount lawley

1579
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:47,010
and i'm sure perth residents would know

1580
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:48,839
the Flying Scotsman in mount lawley at

1581
01:08:52,099 --> 01:08:50,310
least mount lawley it's in a really

1582
01:08:54,290 --> 01:08:52,109
excellent area because we've got planet

1583
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:54,300
video look out the window I can see

1584
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:56,910
planet books we've got the astor theatre

1585
01:08:59,710 --> 01:08:57,940
on the court

1586
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,720
what are some of the activities that

1587
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,520
people would think would be fun for

1588
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:03,920
skeptics to do I know that the tradition

1589
01:09:10,329 --> 01:09:06,560
yeah it's a nice gesture but if glasses

1590
01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:10,339
and making beer goggles on his face but

1591
01:09:13,599 --> 01:09:11,900
I know that the lecture is the typical

1592
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:13,609
sort of thing that you expected we get

1593
01:09:17,260 --> 01:09:14,900
that at universities all the time it's

1594
01:09:19,059 --> 01:09:17,270
science we come on to a lecture you mean

1595
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in the cycle ometer right but you know

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in general lectures for skeptics about

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01:09:24,519 --> 01:09:23,240
something but for a pop what could mix

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01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,529
it up a bit you could probably have a

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01:09:27,940 --> 01:09:26,480
guest speaker now then but we know we

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have a guest speaker every month in

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01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:29,450
Sydney but we make sure they don't wrap

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01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:31,430
it on for too long yeah I mean people

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01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,350
don't come to skeptics in the pub to sit

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01:09:36,670 --> 01:09:35,120
back in a chair and listen to an hour

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01:09:38,590 --> 01:09:36,680
talk forget about it they come to drink

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01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:38,600
and socialize ask questions and have a

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:40,670
good time Venice spoon folder p Brenda

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01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:42,410
Syrian folder p absolutely absolutely

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01:09:46,510 --> 01:09:45,170
fun my seriously been its spoon bending

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01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:46,520
lessons we give spoon bending lessons

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01:09:49,570 --> 01:09:47,900
and people come just for that are we

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01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:49,580
gonna do that we're gonna do that I put

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01:10:02,020 --> 01:09:54,230
some spin spin see look at the happy

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01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:02,030
face so yes I think it is a I'm other

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01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:03,800
skeptics in the pubs around the world

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01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:05,540
listening to this may differ but in

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01:10:11,170 --> 01:10:08,090
Sydney a short talk by an interesting

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01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,180
speaker just for no longer than 25

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01:10:15,370 --> 01:10:14,000
minutes say a little bit of this is

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01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:15,380
what's happening and the rest of the

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01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:16,790
times given over to people just to

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01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:19,100
socialize I think is the key I think

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01:10:23,050 --> 01:10:20,450
tapping into some of the resources

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:23,060
around you is really good too we've got

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01:10:26,170 --> 01:10:24,650
the astor theatre on the corner if we

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01:10:28,420 --> 01:10:26,180
manage to coordinate with a night that a

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01:10:30,730 --> 01:10:28,430
particular film shine yes lucky is it a

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:30,740
pound aesthetic thing let's get the

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01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:33,050
steppin know that coming out soon sure I

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:35,900
don't believe in there yes no I must be

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01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:39,170
converted a yeah Hollywood yeah uh if we

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:40,700
will went to that thing came over here

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01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:46,010
for a drink afterwards I really gonna

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:48,620
get harder doctor I think you shouldn't

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01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:49,970
underestimate just a value of having

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01:10:52,609 --> 01:10:50,550
blood

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:52,619
people come together yeah I mean I this

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01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:55,530
is my first meeting and I have to say

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01:10:59,089 --> 01:10:57,030
you know when I first discovered that

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01:11:00,589 --> 01:10:59,099
groups existed i was just like thrilled

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01:11:03,020 --> 01:11:00,599
the idea that they were like-minded

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:03,030
people out there I think you know what

1643
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:05,730
was surrounded by groups that sent to

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01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:08,239
coalesce around some of the more crazy

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:10,710
ideologies and thoughts out there but

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:11,730
there didn't seem to be a place that

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:13,290
rational people and get together and

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01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:15,570
have a talk and have drink and so forth

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01:11:18,979 --> 01:11:17,460
so just having the meeting i think is

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01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:18,989
something we really should be aiming for

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01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:21,000
rather than focusing too much on you

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01:11:25,129 --> 01:11:22,679
know making it entertaining I think

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01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:25,139
really don't give up yeah yeah let's

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01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:27,480
let's kick it off let's kick off her

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01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,179
skeptics in the pub I'm we're in the pub

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01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:31,679
now we're in the problem now and we're

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01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:34,800
all skeptics this is the first meeting

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:41,070
of birth skeptics in the pub and stay

1659
01:11:45,109 --> 01:11:42,570
tuned for the skeptic zone as soon as

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01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,119
there's a facial night of the month once

1661
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:47,520
a month is enough I think twice a month

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01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:49,050
that's pretty good but once a month ago

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01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:50,760
yeah I will let everybody know the

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01:11:55,069 --> 01:11:53,070
details the Twitter the meetup how they

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01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:55,079
can get involved come along I think the

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01:11:58,819 --> 01:11:57,090
Flying Scotsman Scotsman is a great pub

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01:12:00,169 --> 01:11:58,829
words lovely up here in this room it's

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01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:00,179
comfortable chairs it's really good

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01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:04,020
they've got beer on tap wow that's what

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01:12:10,609 --> 01:12:06,270
pubs generally have okay it is quite

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01:12:12,379 --> 01:12:10,619
common so let's see we can stay tuned

1672
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:12,389
for the skeptic zone perfect listeners

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01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:15,030
and pretty soon I'm sure you'll be

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01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:16,380
coming on for skeptics in the pub that

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01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:18,510
that would be fantastic well I'd like to

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:19,980
thank everybody for coming along here

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01:12:24,109 --> 01:12:22,650
sorry about the various delays today but

1678
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:24,119
we all did make it we're all here all

1679
01:12:29,899 --> 01:12:27,570
having a good time so from her skeptics

1680
01:12:33,959 --> 01:12:29,909
in the pub another thing to take cheers

1681
01:12:56,649 --> 01:12:53,470
hey guys here we go what so that's why

1682
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,659
you can't eat her I was just talking to

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01:13:00,970 --> 01:12:58,880
the student tell now look I'm supposed

1684
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:00,980
to tell you about something the cosmic

1685
01:13:06,729 --> 01:13:04,159
tea party I new science podcast podcast

1686
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:06,739
the house it at any rate it's about

1687
01:13:11,530 --> 01:13:09,020
science and mathematics sounds rather

1688
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:11,540
dull oh hang on hang on it and says here

1689
01:13:17,890 --> 01:13:14,570
not down so there you have it and cosmic

1690
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:17,900
tea party podcast WWE cosmic Tea Party

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:36,400
i Richard another huge show show number

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01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:39,770
43 action-packed and fun-filled again I

1693
01:13:44,590 --> 01:13:42,350
love doing that think tank in Perth and

1694
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:44,600
sort of kicking off Perth skeptics in

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01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,190
the pub and since we did that recording

1696
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,600
and it's novel back through time and all

1697
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:50,480
that sort of stuff if our listeners are

1698
01:13:53,860 --> 01:13:52,280
interested especially of course people

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:53,870
in Perth and you want to go along to

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01:13:59,470 --> 01:13:55,610
skeptics in the pub it's all happening

1701
01:14:03,640 --> 01:13:59,480
yeah just go to HTTP colon slash slash

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01:14:05,890 --> 01:14:03,650
Perth skeptics who spelled with a k dot

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01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,900
o RG and there's all sorts of

1704
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:07,760
information there and there looks like

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:08,900
they're going to be meeting in the

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01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:12,170
Flying Scotsman ah oh yes that sounds

1707
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:13,790
like a fun place to be the flying

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01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:16,760
scotsman and the time seems to be set up

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01:14:22,210 --> 01:14:19,100
at the moment for the last sunday of

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01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:22,220
each month okay now from three o'clock

1711
01:14:25,810 --> 01:14:23,720
in the afternoon to five o'clock in the

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01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:25,820
afternoon where sounds pretty good depth

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01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,590
exam the pub head alone might head over

1714
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,360
there myself so what's Perth like

1715
01:14:34,090 --> 01:14:31,280
there's it pretty it is always been a

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:34,100
beautiful dog gorgeous yeah what what a

1717
01:14:37,630 --> 01:14:36,170
beautiful setting for a city Perth is on

1718
01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:37,640
the beautiful river there it's almost

1719
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:39,860
like a harbour isn't it it is yeah it's

1720
01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:41,570
just it's sort of ideal he's a planned

1721
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:44,270
city as well so that all the roads and

1722
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:46,370
stuff is really well-organized and oh

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01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:48,890
yeah it's a lovely lovely it is a I'm

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01:14:53,020 --> 01:14:50,450
going back I'm going back it's a

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01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:53,030
fantastic place and I must say a huge

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01:15:03,040 --> 01:14:57,470
thank you to Tom Perry at TP design.com

1727
01:15:05,140 --> 01:15:03,050
got a ute e PE design com day you he and

1728
01:15:07,330 --> 01:15:05,150
his team did some wonderful photographs

1729
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:07,340
of dr. Rach in myself and you can see

1730
01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:09,890
those by going to skeptics own TV and

1731
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:12,440
clicking on the Flickr site i'm gonna

1732
01:15:15,730 --> 01:15:13,820
click there right now have a click and

1733
01:15:18,610 --> 01:15:15,740
out as a click as i feel like i was

1734
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:18,620
there hit me bending some spoons trying

1735
01:15:22,420 --> 01:15:20,450
to eat some soup and dr. rachey taking

1736
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:22,430
on her new persona as Madame nom nom

1737
01:15:28,030 --> 01:15:26,510
madam oh it's getting wacky it's either

1738
01:15:29,950 --> 01:15:28,040
skipped exams ago we were it we're

1739
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:29,960
really in the zone now we offer yeah

1740
01:15:33,730 --> 01:15:32,060
well thanks again and it's been another

1741
01:15:35,950 --> 01:15:33,740
great show I guess we'll see you very

1742
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:35,960
shortly Phoenix absolutely now for those

1743
01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:39,290
people who missed hearing dr. Richie dr.

1744
01:15:43,210 --> 01:15:41,030
Ishi reports and runs to give grain of

1745
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:43,220
salt in this show well look we have to

1746
01:15:46,930 --> 01:15:45,320
them a break sometimes some working

1747
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:46,940
pretty hard though they do have to AJ do

1748
01:15:50,230 --> 01:15:48,410
have day jobs they'll be back they'll be

1749
01:15:52,510 --> 01:15:50,240
back but next week next week it looks

1750
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:52,520
like we're sliding up and working out

1751
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:54,650
the another edition of the all-female

1752
01:15:59,320 --> 01:15:57,290
think tank I think so I think so but

1753
01:16:01,180 --> 01:15:59,330
anyway stay tuned oh it's going to be

1754
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:01,190
awesome tonight well we'll see you next

1755
01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:03,110
time I guys do thanks return and thank

1756
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:08,300
you listeners by you've been listening

1757
01:16:15,490 --> 01:16:11,530
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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:15,500
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